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#615 Pope Francis Passes Away, Trump Battles Judges and Gangs, Faith and the Fight for America's Soul
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A pivotal Supreme Court decision has temporarily halted deportations under the Alien Enemies Act, creating fresh challenges for immigration enforcement while spotlighting deeper cultural divisions across America.
Join Jack and Tom...discussing how cartels strategically infiltrate communities by compromising local judicial systems. A recent case in New Mexico perfectly illustrates this strategy – a judge resigned after federal agents arrested a Tren de Aragua gang member living in his home with illegal firearms.
Beyond immigration, we're witnessing unprecedented challenges to biological reality through gender ideology. Despite polls showing roughly 80% of Americans oppose allowing biological males to compete in women's sports, politicians continue pushing these policies into schools and the culture.
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I'm excited to be with Tom Hampson crime investigator, crime journalist. Tom, there's a lot going on in the world today. How are you? I'm doing good. Yeah, there is a lot. Happy post-Easter and I'm going to try to take a deep breath here and announce, of course, that Pope Francis, actually the day after Easter, or the morning of Easter, I guess, the morning after he passed away, interestingly enough, he met JD Vance. Did you see that?
Speaker 2:Yeah right, he's like the last dignitary he met with.
Speaker 1:Isn't that something? Huh yeah, it's kind of interesting. And then I heard that Klaus Schwab resigned the same day. So here we have. Look, I don't want to say anything bad about Pope Francis now that he passed away. This is all in God's hands now, right, but he didn't do us any favors from a confusion Let me just put it mildly from a confusion standpoint left things pretty open, pretty much in the air, and so we're seeing a lot of craziness going on, aren't we, rahm?
Speaker 2:that's going on, aren't we, rob? It seems like the whole world has gone nuts. Here in the United States we have. It seems the entire left is supporting a gang member over normal people.
Speaker 1:So what are you thinking about when you say that?
Speaker 2:Well, that Abrego Garcia guy that they've characterized as a hero, he's actually a drug and human trafficker. He's a wife beater. I just can't understand why there are so many people that are supporting him.
Speaker 1:Tom, I have not read the whole Supreme Court thing that just came down, but I guess there was a fast decision. Do you know anything about that that came down for? The same reason, right, that we can't deport. Is that out of the country? Do you understand it at all? Yet I know it just came in.
Speaker 2:They've halted the deportations under the Alien Enemies Act because in the earlier decision that they made they had required the administration to give some measure of due process to the people before they deported them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and the ACLU— I'm sorry they could take them into custody, they just can't deport them. Is that the story so far?
Speaker 2:They can't take them out of this Texas facility because, apparently, the ACLU has gone into court and represented that the Trump administration has not given these people their day in court to challenge the deportation, and so the Supreme Court ruled that they couldn't do it until further order of the court, until they can get this sorted out. I think what they did was that the ACLU misrepresented the process, and so the Supreme Court wants to make sure that the process that the administration has implemented is the one that they had in mind about having due process. You know that you couldn't.
Speaker 1:Yeah, now did you happen to read? I heard that the dissenting view was pretty strong from Alito and Clarence Thomas, who were the only dissenters. I think, right, yeah, it was 72. But it was pretty strong from what I understand. Have you read?
Speaker 2:that. Yet I haven't read their dissent. I just know that, in general, what the issue is, essentially, what this says, I think, regarding the Trump administration, is lot of confusion by different people within the Trump administration over the earlier decision that they issued. That they said that the media has characterized this issue regarding Abrego Garcia was a defeat for the Trump administration, and yet the Trump administration has said no, it was a complete victory. The Supreme Court totally supported them.
Speaker 1:Now you're talking about just the deportation right.
Speaker 2:Yes, this is deporting these people to El Salvador.
Speaker 1:Okay now. Is it because they put them in in prison, or is it just deporting in general? In other words, do we have to hold him here in the United States?
Speaker 2:No, it's a deportation under the Alien Enemies Act. Okay, okay, that's the issue, and so there's.
Speaker 1:So what happens, tom, if we just want to deport people, I mean, you know, and they're not being sent to prison? Because here's the interesting thing, right? So Barack Obama was allowed to deport 3 million people and the Supreme Court didn't step in and stop it. Clinton deported 12.3 million people and the Supreme Court didn't block it. Bush deported 10 million people and the Supreme Court didn't block it, and so far, I think, trump deported 100,000, something like that. And and and judges are all over him.
Speaker 1:So, so that's why it's a it's a confusing situation and and is it because because, again, you know, I, I think it was I think what got people's attention was because he went to this notorious prison more than being, uh, just deported huh yeah, the prison was the one that brought people to say, hey, this, how can you send somebody who's here just directly into prison without any kind of trial? I wonder, is that the mistake that they made? You know more than just deporting people, right?
Speaker 2:No, let's say that you're deporting somebody who's an illegal alien here in the United States and you can't find any place to send them. We can send them down to Guantanamo, a prison at Guantanamo. It's the way that they're being deported. That's the issue. For example, if somebody is going to be caught up and deported, there has to be some kind of adjudication. The confusion with Abrego Garcia is that there was adjudication with him. He saw two immigration judges and they both ordered the deportation. First they had the original deportation order, then the second deportation order, so the original one was confirmed. But then there was a third issue where he went in and said hey, I'm afraid I'm going to be killed if I go back to El Salvador. So the next judge said well, you got to, it's on a hold. Your deportation is on hold because of the danger to you. Technically, the Trump administration should have gone through the process of getting that order rescinded so that they could still deport him to El Salvador, to this place in El Salvador.
Speaker 1:But it just seems like again when you're looking at these past presidents, with these millions of people they deported. Now we're in a much worse situation, right from all of the illegals that were allowed to come in under Biden administration. So we're in much worse situations.
Speaker 1:So if, oh, yeah, right if we deported 12.3, if clinton did um, I think I said it was clinton right and and and so we should be able to deport twice that many, right, and so we can't go in front of a judge for every one of these things. I'm sure they didn't go in front of a judge.
Speaker 1:They're illegal so they should be able to be sent out of the country. Now I can understand and again, I'm just trying to figure this thing out for myself. I can understand why you don't just take an illegal and just arbitrarily put him in a notorious prison where he could die and rot there for the rest of his life die and rot there for the rest of his life. But just to take me as a Venezuelan citizen and send me back there, that doesn't seem like it's a very harsh thing to do.
Speaker 2:No, but they do have to have a hearing in order to get to that what they could absolutely.
Speaker 1:do you think those 12 million people had a hearing with Clinton and 10 million, I think I said with Bush?
Speaker 2:Yeah, they have. It's not a hearing like with with clinton, and and and 10 million, I think. I said with bush yeah, they have it's. It's not a hearing like a regular one. You go before a, you go before an arbitrator and say, or what's your, what's your uh position on being, on staying in the united states as well. I'm, I'm declaring, I'm claiming asylum, I'm requesting asylum they're all gonna say something right well, yeah, but he's.
Speaker 2:They're gonna say, well, why are you requesting asylum? Well, I'm afraid of people back in my country. And the guy just looks at him and says, denied, get out of here. That's the hearing, that's all the hearing he needs.
Speaker 2:But absolutely what the Trump administration could do right now is they could scoop up people and put them in a detention center at any time, and there's no question that they could do that. They could take all 20 million of them that are here and put them in detention centers right here in the United States or down to Guantanamo Bay or whatever, and that's perfectly within the right of the Trump administration. Now it's the process of getting them out of the country that becomes the issue, because once they declare that they're seeking asylum, then technically we, then the United States their asylum claim is worthless because they are supposed to declare asylum at the first country they come to, away from the country that they're seeking asylum from. So the asylum claims are just totally bogus. Been um uh schooled by all these um uh non-profit organizations, these ngos, which are really government paid ngos. Uh, so they're extensions of some leftist government organization that is helping these people find a way into the united states and giving them the right words to say to keep them here.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying. This, you know, look at. You know we have to, we have to be careful, right, with human beings. These are human beings, you know. These aren't just, you know, pieces of meat being thrown around, even though the left would basically call people just pieces of meat. Biology, right, that we don't Right.
Speaker 2:You know they don't look at the human person like we do.
Speaker 1:But when we do look at the human person like we do, you have to say, okay, you know, this is a human being, you know. The problem again, Tom, is that these people with, especially with the trend at the Diaragua is, I mean, these are violent, violent gang members that you can't just let run around your neighborhood.
Speaker 2:Well, and they can hold them in custody with no problem at all. Like I said, this Abrego Garcia guy is. The issue with him was that he was and the administration admits it he was improperly removed.
Speaker 1:There was a technicality that he was improperly removed. There was a technicality that was improperly removed. So my question, though, to you would be then I mean, if there's 20 or 30 million of these people right, human beings again, how do you get that many people? I mean Biden, first of all, opened up this can of worms. It was incredible what he did right. And they do this on purpose, tom, and now so. So to me it looks like standing back. It looks like they're just going to go after every single person that they try to deport and and just tie it up. I mean, so it slows down the process, that you don't even make a dent in this.
Speaker 2:The goal is very clear what they're trying to do. They're trying to delay everything for two years, until the hope is that after two years, they'll get control of the House again and then they'll begin impeachment proceedings against Trump. That's the goal. The goal is to is the same thing as it was before. It was to resist and and and trump up these charges that are completely bogus, that are hurting the country. That's the thing that I that is that I find so amazing is the is the links to which they are going to try to defeat President Trump and in doing so, they're using these horrendous people as examples of heroism Abreu Garcia, these Trende Aragua guys that they're holding up down in Texas. These people need to be gone. Yeah.
Speaker 1:So I'm going to get back to you on that. So hang on to that for a second, because I want to say you know, at the end of the day, my question will be how would you handle this then if you were the Trump administration? But before we get there, I want to bring up another instance of this. So this just happened down in new mexico. So this is how this quagmire can get going. So in dona ana county down in new mexico, a judge resigns after the feds arrest a man at home.
Speaker 1:So they talk about a little bit about this background, but again, so this is christian lopez ortega, 23 years old, was a de Aragua gang member and a flight risk. They found him. The Homeland Security Office down in New Mexico found him with a bunch of guns, which is a felony he's a legal alien with a bunch of guns right and found out that he's living with a judge down there. Judge Cano, c-a-n-o, and his liberal wife, nancy, it says, came upon this young guy. Anyways, they took him into their house. They find out he's a gang member. The judge is posing with them, and so the judge now. Now there's going to be two judges involved the judge and his wife who took this gang member into their house, and then the second judge who's looking at this case when they catch him with these guns, and he said that he's going to. He said he would release the man because he was a friend of the first judge. And you go, you can't make this stuff up, right? So he's just going to release him back into the community. So here's a very interesting thing going to release them back into the community.
Speaker 1:So here, here's a very interesting thing. Cartels are cagey, sly and experienced. This is from jeff childers and coffee and covet this morning. They don't roll into a new area in humbers and assault rifles. They quietly assimilate and get a read on the local judicial and law enforcement arena. Then they deploy a carrot and stick approach. This is an old approach, tom, that you'll know well. They offer sweet bribes called plata or silver, sometimes cloaked as gifts or brokered with third parties, right? So we're going to find out who's weak, who can be bought off, and do that Now, if the judges don't take the bribes, they offer quiet threats called PLOMO, p-l-o-m-o.
Speaker 1:Plomo, which is lead, lead, a bullet right, and they say you don't want to deny bail on a trendy Aragua Germano right. And so this is what they do. And so you get into a local community, a small community they only have a couple of judges there that are going to be adjudicating these kind of things and you get them on your side, tom. So this is my fear, because you see them going after Trump in New York and Atlanta and all these different places, and we can just stop up the whole thing with this. When you have a few corrupt judges and DAs in certain places, you stop the whole process.
Speaker 2:Then Well, it does seem like a hopeless situation, because it is such a vast network of corrupted people, but we are corrupted people. We all have our sins that we struggle with, and the problem is that the bad guys are very good at sniffing out the things that make us weak and there's plenty of things to sniff out right.
Speaker 2:And there is and look at all the different cases that have been brought around the country. They have that one judge that stopped the Trump administration from removing the transgenders from the military, who herself is gay, I mean she's and she thinks it's reprehensible that they've trying to remove these people from the military. And then you've got Boesberg, or whatever his name is, that tried to stop the deportation of the Trende Arago members down to El Salvador and ordered them to return the plane to the United States, which he had no right to do so this gets back, then, tom and we've got to do this in a couple minutes is what would you do?
Speaker 1:I mean, do you have an idea? I mean, you have a mass problem. You have a lot of people. You have corrupt judges not all of them, of course, right, but we have corrupt judges. We know that this law fear has been after Trump and this administration from the very first four years, and now they're getting into it.
Speaker 1:For this time, this has got to. You know, this is really, you know, the evil and these problems are really coming up. You know, and once, like I said, with Biden's open border policy and all this corruption, once you let it all in here and then try to stop you from you know, you know, solving any of these problems again, right, it's a big problem. Mexico, uh, el salvador, um, was was totally corrupt. I mean, this is exactly what happened. We allowed it to go on, or they allowed it to go on for so long, and then you had the president of el salvador that finally had the guts to clean these people up and put them in these prisons, and now it's become a very safe place. El Salvador, but Mexico is run by cartels.
Speaker 2:Well, I think you have to do exactly what the Trump administration is doing. They're persistently pursuing the strategy that they developed, the strategy that they developed, and it's very apparent that they developed this strategy and have been developing this strategy for a long time. This isn't something that they just introduced since the time that they were elected. They were planning on this for a long time, and I think the mind behind it is Stephen Miller, and I don't think there could be anybody more capable of doing something like this, but I also think we have to. If the court validates what the Trump administration is doing, then it will be validated for all time. It's not like it's going to. This is an important thing Right now. If they just rubber stamped it, what Trump was doing, people would say, well, this is a, this is a corrupt, conservative Supreme Court. And we need to. We need to pack the Supreme Court with people.
Speaker 1:OK, so well, let me ask you again, going back to to an earlier statement I made how about? I mean because this could take a while so how about just deportations in general? I heard what you said. You know we could set up, basically, concentration camps right, or places holding pens for these people, but sending a, a somebody from mexico back to mexico or venezuela back to venezuela and let them deal with them and, and I get it, they're not in prison down there, but at least they're out of our country.
Speaker 2:How about that scenario? Yeah, I don't know of anything that's stopping that from happening. It's just this extraordinary Alien Enemies Act that is an unusually it's an unusual approach to getting rid of people.
Speaker 1:So, as far as you're concerned, they can still deport people. Now, they are, yes, in fact they are.
Speaker 2:It's only under the Alien Enemies Act, where that is the one that's in question. The other deportations are moving forward. It's like that. Even this guy, khalil from Columbia, he's on his way back, he's gone. I mean, it's only they're still filing appeals and everything, but he's not going to win. There's no chance of him winning. Okay, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1:So this is only again for that kind of that window right or that band, so we can still at least go through due process. Otherwise, uh, this is going to go on forever. Okay, we only got a little time, we're starting to wind down. So here in illinois town, you know, we see the same corruption. I mean it's, it's nuts, right where this governor thinks he's he's doing us all a favor by standing between us and justice or truth or anything. You know he's still pushing the transgender thing on these poor young girls. You know he's demanding that these young boys can change, you know, go into women's locker rooms and change, compete with them, and he thinks he's some kind of a savior. He's still pushing them and he's proud of this.
Speaker 1:We just did a presentation on stolen innocence, tom, where we actually had a video clip of him being very proud that we're able to push this, all these gender ideologies, into grade schools. And my last point would be these are children, tom, that should never even be exposed to any of this stuff. So we're not talking about just a twisted corrupt person. You know, sexualizing people. He's sexualized, trying to sexualize children from a very early age, which is really robbing them of their innocence and obliterating their moral imaginations. You know, this is very serious stuff.
Speaker 2:Well, these kind of things, it's the Title IX of the of the Title IX has gone back to its original form, where there's it's you can't discriminate against girls in sports, and it retains the original meaning of girls that was there for years. And now Trump has come out and identified as that there are male and female, and that's it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but yet there's only male and female. That's why Title IX if people are familiar with Title IX, right, or have heard it and don't understand this was to give women an opportunity, right, right, and so that they would bring sports back or into colleges. And if you had a male's team, you had a need to have a female and it worked, you know it worked.
Speaker 1:I mean the women's teams really built up. Now this, the how preposterous the language has come. You know, I look at I have a. I'm a philosophy and a theology major, right. So so when you disrupt the language, when you twist this, you know this from law tom. This is not, I'm not making this stuff up. If when you distort language, you distort the truth, and when you distort the truth, you know people get. I mean, this is the. This is what totalitarian governments did all over through history. Take the language distorted, so now a man could become a woman, a woman could become a man. That's not a baby, that's just a lump of cells. I mean all of the marriage. Marriage doesn't mean anything, it's meaningless. Now, when you can take the, you could tell a kid to use a pronoun. You could tell him that he could be gender neutral, right, gender neutral, non-binary. You're twisting language. It's impossible, and so this becomes not a joke. This is what guys like Pritzker are doing.
Speaker 1:They know exactly what they're doing, right, they're, they're they're taking the language and twisting and distorting it you can't even you can't. Reality goes away.
Speaker 2:Reality goes away.
Speaker 2:Well, and the thing that's so, uh, dangerous about this, this whole thing that pritzker is doing, is that this is exactly what happened in the in the 18 in 1860, when the south decided they were going to follow their own laws, not the federal laws.
Speaker 2:And so in this case, it's not only Pritzker is pushing back against the laws regarding women's sports and women you know, just boys and girls in school, women, just boys and girls in school he's also pushing back against an executive order that defines men and women as biological men and biological women, which the Supreme Court of the United Kingdom just came out and affirmed. In the United Kingdom, that it's biological men and biological women is what their laws are built around, and so I hope that our Supreme Court will come out with a similar ruling sometime soon, although I don't give much hope to that, because we have one justice that doesn't know the difference between a man and a woman, because she's not a biologist. You can't make this stuff up and and so, but this is the issue that uh, pritzker and a number of other governors are defying federal law in immigration and on sexuality. Um, I can't see why we're fight, trying to fight a civil war over that issue.
Speaker 1:No, and think about this. The people that live in chicago we're from chicago, right. See why we're trying to fight a civil war over that issue. No, and think about this. The people that live in Chicago we're from Chicago, right. I mean, we're just right outside the borders now, but it's all moving out toward us too. They have sanctuary cities here where we're going to take the same trend the Aragua. We take these notorious gang members and we're we're hiding them right here. We're telling little boys they can become girls and vice versa, and then pushing this into law, which makes it, uh, worse. Uh, you know it, you know this.
Speaker 1:Transfer, make care, all these different things, pornography in the schools, and it goes on and on and on. We have corruption with the judges, corruption with the, with the politicians, and, uh, and you have corruption with the judges, corruption with the politicians, and what's the bottom line? We have incredible violence here. We have kids. There's 30 schools in Illinois that not one child can read at reading or math, at proficiency levels for their grade 30 schools, levels for their grade 30 schools and so they can't read, they can't do math. They push them through here. The violence is unbelievable. The drugs, the murder. We've become the abortion capital of the world. So at the end of the day, tom, I mean I'm just full of good news, right?
Speaker 2:But see, the thing is that we are electing the people that are doing this. We are electing them by, in many cases, by incredibly large majorities, and so it is. The people are ignoring this issue and they have to stop ignoring it, because the fact is that, on the immigration issue, 80% of the public is against what Pritzker is doing. The same thing with the gender issue, the boys and girls sports 80% of people are opposed to this. They have to wake up and start voting on the issues rather than on their traditional. Well, I was born a Democrat, I'll die a Democrat, kind of thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and Pritzker is very confident in himself. I mean, you know he's on there promoting all this, talking about how he's standing between us and this totalitarian trump system, when the rod is inside, inside the state already, and we need to. You know, the pensions are weighing us down. It's amazing, uh, how this thing is going to unfold if we don't get this under, uh, under control pretty soon. I don't know, it's, it's a, it's a.
Speaker 2:It's a funny time well, his whole family made family made their money in partnership with the mob and they've maintained their money by keeping it offshore with a mob-developed offshore investment opportunities. So why would you expect this guy, who was raised by parents that were partners with the mob, to be any different any more, any less corrupt?
Speaker 1:No, I don't expect that, but I do expect the average person voting for him, though. That's what I mean. So what does that say about our populace? You know and I think this is the way you know what we talk about all the time when we're out speaking live to people that you know what's the solution to all this? It becomes I am again. I have to stand up, but you know that you can't do this alone.
Speaker 1:If you go through history, every time that people have walked away from God, you walk away from objective truth, and when you walk away from objective truth, it's very easy for those in power to twist and distort the language, and they push this. If I'm speaking to 300 young people, half of them will not have lived with their biological both biological parents, right, and if they did, it wasn't a mom and a dad sometimes, you know, but most of these kids have come from dysfunctional homes. They haven't been taught how to read and write properly or how to think properly. They've been pushed into pornography at such young ages, they've been sexualized, and so they think it's normal just to have sexual relationships at a very young age, and so these kids have no clue. And then they grow up in their 20s and 30s.
Speaker 1:Now that we're you know, we've been working doing this for so long. Now we see these young people, if they don't get to go back to god and this traditional, uh, idea of what love and marriage and raising the families and and, and then go out into the culture and change the nation. This is what you see, tom. You see, you see a couple generations now of people that don't know any better voting for these crazy democrats, and it's not really republican or democrat. It's. It's to me, me. It's what we saw with these young people. Yeah, look at Liz Cheney. Oh, my gosh, it's these young people that are growing up and they voted for Trump, right? These young men that we were meeting. They don't even know why. They just know that their future looks very bleak and unless somebody turns this around but he can't do this by himself, tom he's going to need people voting, and then we need to continue to vote properly and do our part too.
Speaker 1:So this comes down to all of us.
Speaker 2:Well, they've got to not be fooled by what the left is saying too. They're attacking in every area of what Trump, what the Trump administration, is doing, and they're not just. It's not just these immigration issues, it's also or the, or the sexuality issues. It's on everything that they're doing. Pete Hegseth is under attack in the Pentagon because he's making huge changes in the Pentagon that the deep state doesn't want to have change. So obviously there's going to be pushback.
Speaker 1:So people have to stop jumping to conclusions and begin just to take a step back and look and see what's happening, do a little bit more research and find out some alternative on on these different situations if, if you know, when I'm asked, you know again, I have a trump hat back there because I work with a lot of young people that are looking for hope, right, and what I tell, what I tell them and what I tell other people that you know say, hey, you know, you know they're, they're pushing back against trump for all these different things they hear I say you know, do you realize how corrupt of a country we had become and how corrupt our families, how corrupt our own hearts have become?
Speaker 1:If you were going after Trump and you haven't gone after Pritzker and Biden and Kamala Harris and Schumer and Nancy Pelosi and all these different people, if you haven't gone after them yet, you're going after him when he's trying to unwind all these things that you mentioned earlier, tom, that are just common sense, then something's really, really wrong with us. You know I'm going to spend my time going after Trump, but I didn't do anything to do, you know. I just went along with the flow. All this time I allowed this thing sitting with the proverbial frog and that pot of toxic sludge, tom.
Speaker 2:Well, look at everyone, everybody that's gone after Trump. It's all of a sudden been discovered that they've got real problems of their own, whether it's Danny Willis down in Atlanta, or Jack Smith taking money that he didn't report, or Letitia James, who actually has committed mortgage fraud, this is insane. So these people and Biden?
Speaker 1:But we're not going to go after them, Tom we're going to go after Trump. Yeah, I mean what a you know people we're going to go after Trump.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean what a you know they got to take into account who it is that's making the accusations about this and just begin to you know, take a deep breath and start voting in the right way.
Speaker 1:And you know what, get down on your knees and start praying, because at the end, of the day.
Speaker 1:This is a battle. That's a spiritual battle, and everything that we're talking about here is, if you really want to define it. When I'm out, this will be the last thing I have to say, thomas, and I'll leave it for you to wind up, but I always ask people two things. When you're talking about Trump or anything else I said before, we spend a lot of time talking where know, where do you, where do you, where do you stand on life? You know, I mean just human life. Do you know? Do do you?
Speaker 1:Do you protect innocence of children all the way from the womb, all the way through school? Are you protecting them? Do you go to school board meetings? Do you spend time looking at what we're doing in the culture to those kids? And the second thing is where do you stand on marriage? Does a child deserve to have a mom and a dad? Every child has a mom and a dad. Do they deserve to grow up with them?
Speaker 1:And look, we know there's dysfunctional families, there's all kinds of things going on. This is not a perfect world, but at least a child should have a chance right to do this. And so if those two things are a no, nah, I'm pro-abort. I don't really care if we destroy children or not, and marriage can be defined as anything anybody that wants to make it up. So again, where do we come down on truth, on reality, on what's the best way to raise kids, and et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And if you don't get that, tom, then there's no sense me talking to you about Trump or anything else, because you're going to vote for whoever scratches your back 15 minutes before you go to the voting booth. That's then. That's what happens here over and over again.
Speaker 2:Well, the problem is, the truth doesn't come in soundbites. People have to become more informed and and and study issues a little bit better, and they also need to become more engaged in what's going on around them. I don't mean devote their whole life to to to public service, but at least they should spend a reasonable amount of time finding, finding out what's going on in their local community and becoming involved with the people that are engaged in it, and to maybe run for office themselves.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the only thing I'd put again. And you know, when you say truth doesn't come in soundbites, in general you're right. But I'm going to give you a soundbite Truth is not a something, Truth is a somebody. And his name is Jesus Christ, and there's my soundbite of the day Tom.
Speaker 2:Well, that doesn't help. You see what the truth is in this Trinidad and Tobago issue, though. See, that's what I'm talking about?
Speaker 1:No, but it gives me a place where I I'm still concerned about human beings, yeah, but I'm not.
Speaker 1:I'm not so compassionate that I say I I'm not seeing what those human beings have done. You know, when you're in a violent gang and you extort and you, you, you, you murder, uh, you steal and you do that for a living, I believe you deserve a second chance. Right, but do it down in your country where you came from, not here, because we just have too many issues and too many problems. I mean, look at Tom, I have to worry about my own kids and my own grandkids and my own family and I can't have them running around where they can't. You can't even go outside because there's so many shootings and stuff, and so, yeah, so it does help me because you have to be compassionate and that's why I'm asking you was asking you questions about deportation and stuff. I do want to be fair, right, and I don't want to see guys get thrown into notorious prisons that don't deserve it there. On the other hand, you are illegal here and you know we're going to have to do something.
Speaker 2:And we don't have time to With Trinidad and Arragua and MS-13, though it's more than that they actually are engaged in. They're a terrorist organization and Trinidad and Arragua is under the guidance of the Venezuelan government, so they're actually an invading army of the Venezuelan government here in the United States. That's right and that's been documented over the last several years.
Speaker 1:Right? Well, here's the other thing that Jesus Christ allows us to do. He allows us to see the corruption in our own hearts, and we start to let him clean that up. I can see the corruption that's coming into our state, the corruption that's giving away way too much money to people that we don't have, and it's bankrupting the whole system. And so I'm thinking about the future for kids and grandkids, and these children that you and I stand up to defend, Tom. We want to give them a chance, right, and the only way you're going to give them a chance in the nation is when human hearts enough human hearts actually are looking at the truth and understand. They have to be formed. You have to be formed first, Tom, by a biblical understanding of what's going on. If you're not, history will tell you that not only will the culture come apart, the nation will come apart, and you'll lose everything that our founding fathers worked.
Speaker 2:Well, and, as a matter of fact, on Saturday was the 250th anniversary of the Battle of Lexington and Concord. So we are right in, right now, the 250th anniversary of the beginning of the, of the revolutionary war that leads up to the, to the declaration of independence, which will happen next year on july 4th. The 250th anniversary, but right now we are. Isn't that something to be?
Speaker 1:yeah, we, you know we're gonna have a battle getting to that next year, right? So? July 4th of July of 26 is 250 years.
Speaker 2:huh Right, and we are in the battle right now, yeah, and so people need to step up. They need to. You know, are you going to be a patriot or a loyalist?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, all right, Thomas, hey, listen, we ran out of time. We've got to leave it there. Thanks everybody. Thanks for joining us. Talk to you again soon. Bye-bye.