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Become Who You Are
#552 Buckle Up! Election D-Day! Will The USA Be A Beacon For Truth And Freedom When We Wake Up On Wednesday Morning?
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Or will we have chosen to send our Country and possibly the World into further decline? Today, my good friend Tom Hampson and I confront this thorny issue, examining the ripple effects of the abuse of language and the abuse of power and its effects on humanity, especially on children. We pull from the wisdom of Plato and Aristotle to underscore the indispensable role of truthful language in shaping a stable moral compass for future generations. Join us as we critique the erosion of truth in politics and education, where complex topics like gender identity challenge traditional narratives and leave parents navigating a labyrinth of moral relativism.
By emphasizing the importance of speaking personal truths to our children, we explore the ways these social dynamics might foster a broader acceptance of moral relativism, shaping young minds in potentially hazardous ways.
From political arenas to global institutions, our discussion extends to the cultural and spiritual dimensions of contemporary issues. Amidst these challenges, we urge a return to steadfast moral integrity and faith in the face of societal change, inviting listeners to consider the spiritual battle underlying these debates.
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I'm with my good friend, tom hampson. Thomas, how are you? I'm good. How about you? Good, good, good. You know. We're fighting a battle on so many fronts, tom, as far as stolen innocence goes, fighting against the, the lies and the distortions they're telling our kids. It's almost unbelievable, but this is election day, so I want to talk a little bit about the election. Are you up for that?
Speaker 1:Sure, it's the last day we have a chance to. It's the last day. And I start to think about Kamala harris and listening to her and again, I we never say that the other side's perfect. I mean, you know, you know it's not like the republicans are, uh are coming in and the white stallion to rescue us all. I mean, there's, there's, there's plenty of evil on both sides, but I've never seen the blatant lies like this. You know where, you know, it doesn't really even matter what you say.
Speaker 1:And I start to think about the abuse of language and abuse of power that we see in, in, uh, in our local school boards and teachers now that are coming out, uh, trans, and in my own kids, my own grandkids, schools, schools and in a nearby school district and maybe I'll just touch on this too to make this point is a man who's dressing as a woman, who says he's transitioning to a woman and he's working in a local library there and the school is defending him there and calling him incorrectly her now, and and asking or telling the students to to call him her, they now.
Speaker 1:They've known this person, this man, all this time and now, all of a sudden, these, these young kids this is an elementary school, come into school and now they are told a lie that that this man is a woman now and they have to go along with the lie. And when you start to think about that, tom, from a young person and I realize the culture many people in the culture will say, well, yeah, now he's transitioning, so we got to call him a woman. But it's impossible, it's scientifically impossible, it's not going to happen. You can play games all you want, but when we lie, does it matter, tom? When we lie to kids?
Speaker 2:Well, of course it matters. It confuses them. Confusion is not something that children handle very well. Adults don't handle it very well. People become paralyzed when they get confused. They have a difficult time believing anything when there's no certainty that they can trust.
Speaker 1:Language has to speak the truth, doesn't it, tom?
Speaker 2:Yes, Well, in order for it to be useful. Otherwise we can't communicate.
Speaker 1:Yes, exactly. So say that again now and I'll tell you why this is important. You know you were in crime, investigative, a crime investigator, and so you're always seeking the truth, right? What is the truth of this crime? Well, you know, know, I was not in crime but I was, you know, into philosophy and theology. Well, philosophy wants to get it to truth.
Speaker 1:Also, you know, and going back tom plato and aristotle, 400 years bc, we're talking about the sophists. And the sophists were these, you know, teachers. They would get paid, they're professionals and they would go around and they get paid for speaking on some subject. And Plato and Aristotle were after them a little bit, because they said that they'll, they'll say anything to win a victory in a debate and they're prepared to use even dishonest means to achieve it. In other words, it wasn't always truth that they were after. They wanted to get the best crowds, they wanted to get people excited about something and win a debate. And that's exactly what they said.
Speaker 1:Then they said the reason we're against that is because language, words have to convey the truth, and that's how we communicate with one another. We communicate in the truth. Otherwise, they said, if we're not going to speak the truth and if it's all about opinions, then it's a monologue, not a dialogue. In other words, you and I, tom, if the truth doesn't exist and if we're not going to convey the truth through our words, we might as well get off and give a stump speech, and then your turn to give a stump speech, and then I'll I'll you know. Then your turn to get up a stump speech. And that's what these politicians seem to do, to the degree where they they. They will actually I've seen kamala harris a number of different times say one thing in one state and the same day, go to another state and say something that appeals to that audience.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:And we have mass media today, we can show it. Here's my last thing to ask, tom. Yet people can see that and people will still vote for it. They don't care. They don't care. In other words, you can't tell what position she has. We don't really even know on fracking, on anything. We don't know what she's going to do. We're just turning the page and doing something. She never says what her position is, but it doesn't matter to people. We're going to vote for her. Tom, I know I throw out a lot at you, so just go wherever you want, but we have to speak the truth. And if we don't speak the truth, what's the point of all of this?
Speaker 2:Well, children especially need to know what the truth is. As adults, we can understand this fuzzy logic kind of stuff. Not everything is clear cut. As you grow older you begin to realize that things are fuzzy, but as a child, they need some kind of certainty in order to get from one place to another, to another. And, for example, good and evil, just something as simple as good and evil, what is good, what is evil?
Speaker 2:You have some people saying what we think is good, that is evil, and vice versa. Well, that's very confusing to a child. Now you get to something that, but that's like a, an intellectual concept good and evil. Now you get to something like male and female. That that's a. That is a clear, binary scientific condition you're either male or female. That's it. Now, when you tell a child that, well, no, that may not be true, that you might be a male today and you can become a female tomorrow, what does that do to their thinking? This is not reality. You're teaching children that reality doesn't exist, that there's nothing that they can hold on to. It's something as fundamental as that. The way it is now, we don't have a civilization anymore if we don't have, if we don't have shared values, if we don't have shared understanding of what's right and wrong, good and evil, then then we have no civilization at all. We're just.
Speaker 1:We're just running around doing our own thing and and that's kind of where half the population is tom Tom right now. Yes, it is Half the population don't believe in objective truth.
Speaker 2:Actually, there's a study done. I think the reason for that is that about 100 years ago, propaganda became a profession. Really, it's become part of our everyday life. It's marketing, it's called marketing of our everyday life. It's marketing. It's called marketing. And so you can have these politicians go out and say clearly things that are lies and say, well, it's just marketing. For example, on the Trump issue, one of the issues that's been disproven multiple times, even by left-wing media issues that's been disproven multiple times, even by left-wing media is the there's good people on both sides. Hoax where the whole Charlottesville thing? They are still saying that about Trump, about President Trump, that he's a racist because he made this comment about there's good people on both sides, and that's been completely disproven. So it's fine for somebody just to go out and spread these lies without any consequences whatsoever, except for the real consequences that people are influenced by that kind of wrong messaging.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's amazing that Kamala Harris and Tim Walz can say that democracy will come down if Trump is elected. Yet Trump was elected already. He was a president for four years. He did nothing to take our democracy down.
Speaker 2:But see, even that is a problem, because there's been this promotion about democracy, democracy, democracy. We don't have a democracy. This is not a democracy. This is a constitutional republic. It is distinctly different from a democracy, and it was created that way for a very reason because a democracy becomes a mobocracy, and that's the reason that the founding fathers didn't want it. So, in a backhanded way, what they're doing is they're trying to turn the United States into a democracy. That's why they want to get rid of the Electoral College. That's why they want to really they want to get rid of the Senate, because you know they're not a representative body. They represent the whole state, not the individuals, and so they really would like to turn this into, maybe, a parliamentarian system and basically have Congress run everything.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so they use the abuse of language and you say, okay, well, how does abusive language turn into abuse of power? And that's exactly what it is. If we can get us all on this path of moral relativism where there is no truth. We are easily manipulated by propaganda, to your point, by marketing people, by the so-called experts in the schools. Why would people be afraid to stand up at school boards and say, look, my child is confused when we have trans teachers or trans librarians? But they are, and I think probably who knows exactly? But probably half the parents that I meet, maybe more than half the parents, tom, would not stand up against any of this stuff.
Speaker 2:Well, no, because it would be same people don't want to be mean.
Speaker 2:If you're, if there's somebody this librarian, for example that now thinks he's a, he's a woman, I don't want to be mean to the person and say, you know, I have no bad feelings about the person. I feel sad for him because I think there's something very wrong and and I think he's mentally ill and he needs. He needs therapy. He doesn't need to be the target of of vitriol by anybody or or tact for for believing that he's a woman. He needs help.
Speaker 2:So you find yourself in a position Well, I don't agree with what's going on, but I don't want to hurt the person's feelings and I don't want to also don't want to be, I don't want to make myself a target for all these whack jobs that are out there that are going to issue death threats against me, which is what's happening If you stand up and say you have, you have groups, these LGBT activists. Many of them are extraordinarily hostile and very violent in their rhetoric and some of them are violent in carrying out the threats that they make. So normal people don't want to subject themselves to that.
Speaker 1:So we go along with it and and yet nobody really looks at the children again. Right, and, and I agree with everything you said, you know, there's no doubt about it and I, I, I'm the first one to say that I, I, you know, I, I don't want to go, and you know, with the person in front of me and and say something derogatory to them. They are suffering from something. They were probably abused, and I don't know the specific person, but they were probably abused by somebody, maybe even sexually abused, certainly have gone through some kind of trauma to get to this point, uncomfortable with their own body. You know, some connect, disconnect, you know going on in their life there's a dysfunction going on, but yet to tell that to really celebrate their mental illness is really sick For the society, to celebrate someone in mental illness and tell them that they're normal in this mental illness and then to tell the rest of us what's the solution in a situation like that, tom, in other words, if we were parents and we agree and we can't take our kids out of that school, do we do anything?
Speaker 1:I think it's important to talk about this because you can do this in a way and even say, if I'm at a school board meeting. I'll even say, you know, I have nothing against that specific teacher. In fact, as a Christian, we're called to love everybody, including that specific person. On the other hand, we also have a responsibility to speak the truth Because, getting back to our initial point here, when we don't speak the truth, you know something happens and we, as human beings, are not unaffected and untainted by that. You know that has a taint on us when we no longer live in the truth, when we no longer can be part of the truth, right?
Speaker 2:longer live in the truth when we no longer can be part of the truth, right? Well, god created all of us, male and female, and so we can stand on our, our religious belief. That that's the way things are. If somebody wants to say that, that we should call this this librarian, who's a man, miss, we don't have to go along with that, and I would tell the children the truth that he thinks he's a woman. It's difficult for them to understand why he thinks that, but he's still a man. There's no changing from male to female, and that's what children should be taught. What they're teaching children now in that school is that a man can become a woman, and that is flat wrong.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and this is going to affect them later on, like you, said because it creates doubts about all reality now.
Speaker 2:You know, is there it gets.
Speaker 1:You wonder why the majority 90, up to 90% of the teens and college kids today subscribe to moral relativism. There is no truth and you wonder where this came from. Well, it comes right from these types of things. This school Tom handed out a handout on how to react if people have questions and talk about lies and distortions. This is in small print so I'm gonna put my glasses on here, tom. It says our lmc. This is a. The library director is amazing, continues to work great here.
Speaker 1:Let's support her. Let's support her. And again, right here, these are our talking points. So if parents come by're saying to the students and we're saying to parents this is what the talking points are from the school, let's support her. So they're already twisting and distorting that. If somebody comes back more, it says well, let's redirect the question. This is again from the talking points from the school. They'll say that's a personal question. Now let's focus on our lesson about math or the topic at hand. In other words, let's just stay away from that. Let's support her and let's not be disrespectful. So they're using all of those things. Let's not be disrespectful, let's not hurt their feelings, but at the same time, let's support her. Let's call her as she chooses to express herself. And, at the end of the day, if we want to go along, to get along, we go along with this, tom, but we think it doesn't make a difference. But it does because we lose and the kids lose all bearing in the truth again all bearing in the truth again.
Speaker 2:Well, part of that is just the tone of the letter mischaracterizes the relationships there. Let's support the teacher. No, the teacher is supposed to be there to support the children and the teacher is there to help the parents teach the children. They're not there to be supported. Yeah, no, that's a great point. If they need to be supported, they shouldn't be there, because their job is to support the children, and part of supporting the children is to convey what's true and what's right. Not you know, not to try to pretend that you're something else. And this is right. Out of that Hans Christian Anderson thing, the emperor has no clothes. Come on, this is ridiculous. They probably have that book in that library where the librarian is. It's like the librarian has become the emperor.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, Isn't that something? That's a great point. And so now we have this election coming up and we're doing the same thing, Tom, you know, on a national level, we are not speaking the truth and I think, you know, for whatever reason, people aren't seeing through this. I can't believe that the polls now this is the polls, and they could be right or wrong show Kamala Harris and Donald Trump neck and neck, and is it people don't realize, Tom, that the abuse of language? Again, what they've done to him? They've gone after him for the Russian collusion, One thing after another. They've indicted him on how many counts? Now they want him wrapped up in court. Yeah, were you 90, 91?
Speaker 2:Yeah, 91.
Speaker 1:In our justice system for injustice, taking out our political opponents, and nobody seems to care. You know, President Trump almost got assassinated three times now and it's like it didn't even happen and nobody really even cares.
Speaker 2:You know, it's amazing, tom yeah, I I part of it is I just looking? I want to look something up here to see what it shows today. I've been following because the polls are are just in terrible. They're all showing so close. Yeah, here it is. I I followed the betting, you know the bet, the Las Vegas betting on this campaign, which I find very interesting because, as of right now, there's been two, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, there's been $4 billion bet on this, on this race. Now, mind you, there's been just a little bit.
Speaker 1:This is in Vegas. This is in.
Speaker 2:Vegas. $4 billion have been bet on this and Trump's chances of where. Trump is at 58.1% and and Harris is at 41.5% as of right now, and so you know. So that's a big difference there. I'm not sure what the odds makers are seeing over the rest of them, but there's been twice as much money spent on bets over this campaign than there has been by the campaign spent to fund the campaign for the whole time, which I find just absolutely incredible.
Speaker 1:Yeah, now I wonder how many bets there are, incredible, yeah, now I wonder how many bets there are you know, or you know, and the reason I say this, I wonder if it's it's a couple really really big bets, or if it's a lot of people betting, you know, I I wonder how many, seriously, well, as of a couple of weeks ago the the betting market was about 2.1 billion and so because I've been following it, so now it's been, it's beena couple billion dollars and trump has always been ahead in.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's always been ahead the whole time. Yeah, now. So I don't know what's going to happen because we don't know what's happening. The polls I don't think they're. I don't think they're interviewing the right people, but what are you?
Speaker 1:optimistic. Are you optimistic that that that trump pulls this out? And you'll be, and you'll be on video. So if Kamala gets in there, tom, they'll be able to find you easy. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I am optimistic that Trump is going to pull this out, because there's a number of reasons for that. First of all, he has an actual message. He's been interviewing everybody. He's out there telling people what his position is. He's been very energetic the whole time. If anybody is a unity candidate, it's him, for crying out loud. We've got you know. Trump has brought in Bobby Kennedy, elon Musk, tulsi Gabbard, nicole Shanahan, who is Bobby Kennedy's running mate in there.
Speaker 1:She's all on board. It's amazing.
Speaker 2:They're all totally, 100% on board with Trump. Joe Rogan just endorsed Trump, who is a Bernie Sanders supporter. So here's a candidate who has brought together working class people to billionaires. He has the richest man in the world and probably some of the poorest people in the United States that are supporting him. So I think he is the true unity candidate and I think people I hope there's enough people out there that see this and recognize the value that he would bring to the country. Kamala, on the other hand, hasn't had a single press conference in the whole time she's been candidate. Not one press conference. She's been interviewed by friendly press people, but she hasn't. She hasn't. She. Certainly she refused to go on joe rogan show for three hours, which I I don't think she could have done it. I don't think she could talk for three hours like like trump and other people that go on that show can.
Speaker 1:So well, she could, but nobody could listen to it. I mean, yeah, it was like you know 99 of the people would have turned it off after 15 or 20 minutes because the word salad thing would just give you a terrible headache, right, and so.
Speaker 2:So I am optimistic that Trump will win. I'm not. I I'm concerned about about some of the indications I've seen voter fraud that's been caught. I wonder what hasn't been caught. I mean people they said, oh, there is no vote, there is no voter fraud, it's not existent. Well, we know that there is. I mean people they said, oh, there is no voter fraud, it's nonexistent. Well, we know that there is. I mean being here in Chicago early on when I was an investigator, it was a common knowledge that there was voter fraud in Chicago massively. It was a joke that vote early and vote often. That wasn't just a saying, that was going on all the time in every election.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, you know, one of my favorite through this election, one of my favorite, as you know, because I brought it up a lot of times, there's this real war. You know, as we know, even Joe Rogan. You know, you know, even even joe rogan. You know, you got guys like russell, brand, tucker, carlson, vivek, even elon musk senses this. You know, there's a something in there, there's a spiritual element to all of this, right, yeah, and even billboard chris. Who who's? Uh, you know who he is. He stands up, up, he's got the signs on and he's a trans people.
Speaker 1:He's a Canadian, he's in the United States a lot and all he does is wear a sign that. You know I'm a dad that stands up against this trans religion, right, this trans ideology confusing our kids. And even he is starting to recognize. Recognize he's an agnostic. He would call himself an atheist and then an agnostic and now he's even saying you know, there's a spiritual element to this. There's a good versus evil about this thing, because how else do you, how do you explain tom, blatant lies about a trans person being shoved down our throat all the way from the HHS? Now, we've got to remember this because we're talking politics and we're also talking about what's happening in our schools.
Speaker 1:There's no accident that this is starting from the World Economic Forum, from the WHO, from a worldwide, global level. It's happening in our nation with Richard Levine, who's a man who dresses like a woman and no different than this librarian right that we're discussing. That is also pushing gender-affirming care on the United States population. You know the HHS has a huge budget. I think it's the number one budget, single budget in the United States, covering 400 plus various institutions, medical institutions and government agencies across the United States. This is a huge thing, and when he gets on pushing gender affirming care, which means what? Pushing gender-affirming care, which means what? It means that we have to affirm these young people basically in their mental illness or their confusion again, and that often leads to puberty blockers, cross-sex hormones and even could lead to mutilation of their bodies, and we know that this is happening.
Speaker 2:Well, and the other thing that's really disturbing, that came out just recently was the discovery that an NIH-funded research project the results were suppressed. It was NIH gave $6 million to a group of doctors to study the effectiveness of transgender care and this gender-affirming care that they were all promoting, and the study came out. The study discovered that it didn't help, that this was not good, so the doctors refused to publish the study. This is a study that we paid for, that the Americans paid for. Why are they allowed not to publish the results of that study? Well, nih came out and said well, they leave it to the doctors to determine whether or not they're going to publish it or not. Wait a minute. Basically, we hired them to do this study. How can they possibly not publish it and why would the NIH let them get away with it? This is this is a serious problem that we've got.
Speaker 2:Now elon musk, I guess, is going to be assigned one of the jobs, if president trump gets in there, to make government more efficient. Well, that's one thing that they should. They could, they could get rid of that kind of studies that are being done. Yeah, yeah, but I think it one of the. The other thing I found interesting was just recently they had the actors that played the avengers endorsed kamala harris. They were on a zoom call and they all endured. They endorsed kamala harris, including the, the guy who played tony stark, and and I saw, I saw a comparison as well trump has the real tony stark.
Speaker 2:They just got the actor, they just got with musk, being the real tony stark and they showed that they showed that that booster rocket coming down and being caught by the gantry. I mean that, what an amazing thing that was yes, it was amazing.
Speaker 1:You know, tom, the, the, the landscape of our country. I think we're the last country, certainly in the Western civilization right we would look at Western civilization. That has a chance now to turn this thing around. I mean, europe is gone for all practical purposes, europe's done, and that includes Scandinavia. England is done, they're all done, yeah, yeah, and they have been declining for a long, long time. But now you can put a really a state. You know you could put a stake in the heart of that thing, right, uh?
Speaker 2:you have a couple right out loud the england they, they, they arrested and convicted some woman or guy for praying outside an abortion actually, yeah, one of each, you know.
Speaker 1:But yeah, the last one was a man who's a veteran, was a veteran in the Army for silently praying.
Speaker 2:Yeah, not loud just standing there praying silently. And he goes to jail like what the heck? So this?
Speaker 1:gets to our point. This is a spiritual battle, I mean you know. And then what's more blatant than a spiritual battle? I mean you know. And then what's more blatant than a spiritual battle? Than what you just said and saying that a man can become a woman when it's scientifically, it's impossible. You can do whatever you want, but what's happening, tom, to so many young people is and we know this from the detransitioners so the detransitioners are coming out and these heartbreaking stories are being told. You know the Chloe Coles of the world, the Prisha Mosley's there's, there's thousands of them now, right? So so you know this is not an isolated case that I just described, that we just described from the school, and I want to just read you something so Stop the Harm.
Speaker 1:Which is made up of 12,000 doctors and attorneys and specialists. They put out a new database and it exposes shocking information about the impact of gender medicine on vulnerable young people. Since 2019, nearly 14,000 minors have undergone radical transgender interventions, hormones and surgery in US hospitals and pediatric facilities, including, unfortunately, catholic facilities. According to new insurance data, these interventions yielded $120 million to those facilities and for complicit health care institutions, but exacted a perilously high price from young people who face lifelong impaired fertility and sexual functioning, lifelong impaired fertility and sexual functioning, higher risk of cardiovascular disease, liver disease, mental health, complications from transgender body modifications. And the last thing I'll just say, tom, quickly, is that you know parents have heard that, you know, would you rather have a live son. You know your daughter transitioning to a boy, which rather have a live son or or or a dead daughter. And and that's a lie. That's a lie because we know that the suicide rates are higher because these kids have you know some, some mental illnesses and some things going on in their lives.
Speaker 1:But after transition the suicide rate doesn't go down. It goes up afterwards.
Speaker 2:Right, Well, I just did a quick calculation. I said, based on the figures you gave, that seems kind of low. It's only $8,500 per procedure on average for that transition care. But that's really-.
Speaker 1:And they said in there just to your point, Tom, real quick. They said that we're being ultra conservative here and these are only the, the insurance amounts that actually went through Medicare and various insurance things. They said there's tons of cash going through. A lot of insurance companies are not covering this, so they they erred on just what they can prove and what came through.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's a good point, because one of the things about this whole medicalization of this issue, turning it into a pharmacological and surgical kind of issue, is that there's continuing care that these hospitals and doctors get the pharmacies continue to you know, every month or every three months they have to reorder the prescription.
Speaker 2:They have to go back in to see the doctor. They may have to. If you have surgical intervention there's always corrective surgery. That has to be done because the body's not made to be that way. So it really creates a lifetime of care that these people are buying into. So that initial cost that they're showing is way low from any standpoint at all. So there's a definite monetary motivation for a lot of these people to get involved.
Speaker 1:Well, look at Planned Parenthood, Tom. I mean Planned Parenthood. Their big business was abortion, and now we know that it's actually now puberty blockers and these cross-sex hormones. So now to your point instead of coming in once or twice, or three times for an abortion, they now have people coming back monthly to get their tea, either testosterone or their estrogen, and, yeah, it's a stream of money that's very, very lucrative, isn't it?
Speaker 2:Well and they're not looking out for the children, because here in Illinois they recently passed a law allowing 13-year-olds to get an abortion without anybody's permission, without their parents' permission, without a court's permission. You just come in and show up and say I need an abortion, and there's no inquiry about whether or not, about the sexual exploitation that has occurred in that situation.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we have to. You know, as parents, whether we want it or not, and as concerned citizens, we do have to stand up for the truth, and that means the national elections here, our local elections, our school board meetings. And it's not easy, tom. But if we don't do that right before we came on air I don't know if you want to repeat that or not but if we don't start to stand up, what did you say? Do you remember? I? Don't start to stand up. What, what do we? What? What did you say?
Speaker 2:do you remember?
Speaker 1:I don't remember, yeah, I mean in essence what you said. Yeah, yeah, see, see, you could tell that that my mind is, is, is, is. I've been drinking more coffee than you this morning already, tom probably, but but the reality is, you know, we've left this too long on the back burner, we left it to other people, and that's what you said yes, we have.
Speaker 2:It's the. The only reason that a Harris might win is that the too many people have just left to others to to do the work, and so that the others that are doing the work are all these left-wing people, these people that believe that truth is variable, that you can become, if you're born a woman, you can become a man, or vice versa, these strange kinds of philosophies that everything is up for grabs, everything, there is no truth, there's no foundation for anything, there is no God, and those are the people that are running things now, and we really have to take that back. Hopefully, we'll be able to do that in an environment where President Trump is in charge of things, but still, even if he wins, there is a desperate need to convince all these people that vote for Harris that they're on the wrong track.
Speaker 1:And I don't think you're going to be able to do that, Tom I don't know, because look at Nicole Shanahan was a lifelong Democrat.
Speaker 2:Bobby Kennedy is a lifelong Democrat. He's like a Democrat dynasty. He's a lifelong Democrat. He's like a Democrat dynasty. And so there's a coalition. There's a new coalition that is formed around the Republican Party that is based on common sense solutions to things. Kennedy is focused. Kennedy and Shanahan are focused on making America healthy again because of just, we eat terribly.
Speaker 1:Well, this gets back to truth again, tom. You know what is the truth that's in our food, what is the truth of who's controlling our food supply. You know what's the truth about energy. You know what's the truth about all this stuff. And you know we've, we've, we've gone along with these lies for so long and all this propaganda for so long. You know, think about EV. You know we were supposed to within really 2030. Now we're coming up on that. We're supposed to be all electric. Well, they had to throw that out, tom, because they realized very soon that it was impossible right, because we don't have the.
Speaker 2:We don't have the generating capacity. First of all, nuclear. Nuclear power has been discredited, which it should never have been. Even coal power has been discredited. You know that underneath the ground, here in Illinois, just in Illinois, we have enough coal to supply energy for the United States for 100 years. They don't want to use coal anymore because it's terrible for the environment. Well, it's not terrible for the environment.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they've found ways to clean that up pretty well. Yes, absolutely.
Speaker 2:They take out the, they take out most of the sulfur, and now it doesn't. It doesn't stop the carbon dioxide from going into the air, so plant more trees. The fact is that every week there's a new coal powered power plant going up in China. Is it better to have those power plants here where we actually scrub the exhaust, where we get rid of the particulates, where we get rid of the sulfur and some of these other bad things, or just let China go ahead and do it? It's better for us to use it here than it is to send it over, send it somewhere else. And so I think that people have just gone nuts. They take one issue and they say this is bad and we can't do it.
Speaker 2:I had a client one time that was doing experiments on using these special breed of pigs for organs for humans breed of pigs for organs for humans. Well, groups like ALF, animal Liberation Front, which are radical groups, attacked this company and actually had put a bomb under the car of the president of the company at one time. So they had to set the farm for these pigs up out in a remote area where nobody could find it. It was like in this remote area because they were afraid of an attack by ALF. This is insane. We should not have to deal with things like this. People have gone nuts and there has to be some kind of common sense brought back into our discussions and our debates, because if it's not better to have organs to use animals for organs than it is to rely solely on people, I don't know what the solution is.
Speaker 1:There's not enough people for the organs that are needed by those that are dying because their organs are failing, and so now what's happened is we got Well if nothing else, tom, we have a dialogue on it and I think, as we start to wrap up, I think we have to get back to that truth again, because you don't have a dialogue without truth and that was our point in the beginning it's a monologue. If you don't have truth, you can have a monologue, but you can't have a dialogue, because a dialogue has to be in the truth and we have to be communicating truth to one another. If we're not speaking the truth, we're just speaking lies and propaganda to one another. Very soon that communication disintegrates into nothing and human beings are affected by lies.
Speaker 1:I get back to this, john 8, and I got to read you a little bit again. I know I've done this in the past, but I think this is a spiritual thing. And Jesus says if you continue in my word, you are truly my disciples and you will know the truth and the truth will set you free. And he goes on to say this. He goes, he's talking about Satan, and this is the other side of the story. He said why do you not understand what I say? It's because you cannot bear to hear my word. You are of your father, the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires and here's the point he was a murderer from the beginning has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks according to his own nature, for he is a liar and a father of lies. But because I tell you the truth, you do not believe me. This is the battle.
Speaker 1:People ask me why we don't want to talk about Jesus Christ anymore. And the guy? He never did anything. If you read the Gospels, he never did anything wrong. He never did anything against anybody. He went to dinner with everybody. The only thing he would say is you know, go and sin no more, don't harm other people anymore and speak the truth. And if you don't speak the truth and you don't care about other people, you are from your father, the devil. You know, and I think this is so clear, tom, when we start to talk about all these issues we're talking about today, we're not going to speak the truth, and when you don't, you fall into the camp. This has become so clear to me, tom. It's the weeds and the weeds sticking up and people are picking sides, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't understand how it's allowed by political campaigns to knowingly speak lies about anything. To go out there and say that, for example, that Trump is going to bring about a dictatorship, that he is because he said it, that he's going to cause there's going to be a bloodbath if he's not elected. That he's threatening a bloodbath if he's not elected. That that he's threatening a bloodbath he's not elected. That he's going to be dictator on day one. That that he's a racist because of the the charlottesville hoax that was that was perpetrated. All these things are are lies and you can't just you can't counter them with with short sound bites. You have to be able to explain each one of these things in depth and nobody listens to it that much so.
Speaker 1:I don't. Well, it was journalists, tom, that in the past we had our media.
Speaker 2:We had journalists.
Speaker 1:We had our newspapers that would expose this. This was their job. Their job was to expose both sides. And then, if there was an editorial page to say, okay, what is the truth, here's what I see, here's what I see, and then you would find people you respected that would say, well, no, he didn't say that.
Speaker 2:But we don't do that anymore, tom. Well, no, the news media is propagating these lies. They're actually become propaganda arms of the Democrat party, and so now you can see the force, now you can see the force all over the world that this is a spiritual battle.
Speaker 1:really, you know that this propaganda, tom, is no longer you know the Nazis in Germany or the communists you know in Russia. This is a worldwide lie that we're perpetrating on humanity for the destruction of human beings. It's a crazy time. Elon Musk said that on Joe Rogan's you mentioned the Joe Rogan podcast. He said that if this election goes to the Democrats, you will never have another election in this country, and I think he's right. They will change the laws maybe Supreme Court, certainly allowing more immigration to come in to the point and they want to throw out like you said, they want to throw out the electoral college and they want to make this just a democracy. With enough illegals coming in that you'll never have a fair election.
Speaker 2:Everything will be like Well, and they want to pack the Supreme Court too. Yeah, that's right. So, it'll always be-.
Speaker 1:It's an interesting time today, tom yeah it is I still have to.
Speaker 2:I have a whinge of fear when I hear some of these things, but I have to remind myself that God's in charge, everything is going to work out according to his plan, and so we don't have to fear that. However, I do think we have a responsibility to do what we can to make things right. We're supposed to spread the word and to make things better for the people around us, and too many of us have sacrificed to others. To do that, we need to everyone. Every person has to do what they can rather than just worry about what they're going to do this weekend up at the cabin.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and that goes for standing up for what's right. Not, you know, and, and you know, and and the last thing. Then, Tom, when you speak like that, this is about our eternal salvation Anybody that doesn't have one eye at least open once in a while to where we're going, you get stuck in this temporal space and you think this is all it is, Tom. So we're going to grasp and take.
Speaker 2:That is an issue. Now People don't fear God anymore. When I was a young kid, virtually everybody feared God, even if they didn't quite believe in him. They were a little worried about what might happen if they did the wrong thing. But today there's no concern. There's no fear of God. Even Christians aren't afraid of God. They think, yeah, well, god will forgive me, I can do. Concern there's no fear of god. Even christians aren't afraid of god. They think, yeah, well, god will forgive me, I can do whatever I want.
Speaker 1:Well, it may not work that way yeah, he might get up there and say, hey, I didn't know you yeah, yeah and and scary enough that even comes out of the vatican. Nowadays, you know, with pope francis saying you know this is my personal opinion, but he's speaking and you know he's sitting on the chair of Peter while he's saying it I don't think there is a hell. I don't think there's a hell. He said that yeah, I don't think God would personally. I don't think that there's. We're all going to heaven, so don't worry, I mean there's something wrong with that?
Speaker 2:Yeah, there is. So all right, that's the rock, so all right, love wins, kind of thing says no, I don't think everybody's going to heaven, I don't think that's going to work out that way.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know about you, tom, but I'm going to heaven, you know because?
Speaker 2:I don't do anything wrong and well, I do a lot of things wrong, but I you know, but you're going anyway.
Speaker 1:So what's the difference? I might as well do something wrong too, then, right. So I mean, I think that's the mentality, you know. Yeah, you do something wrong, I do something. What's the big deal? A little porn here, a little abortion there, a little trans guy over here who cares? You know, it's all kumbaya.
Speaker 2:Huh, well you better people, better start reacquiring a fear of god, because the end times are coming, th Thomas, hey, good to be with you.
Speaker 1:I'll talk to you. We may not know today. I would be surprised if we knew today. I think we'll know today.
Speaker 2:You do yeah tonight. Yeah, I think we will yeah.
Speaker 1:All right, all right, hey, glory to God, huh.
Speaker 2:Glory to God.
Speaker 1:We'll hope for the best. All right, Thomas. Hey, good to be with you. Talk to you again soon.